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Pyrephox ([personal profile] pyrephox) wrote2005-05-18 01:09 pm

Point of Discussion

Since I know my friends list is almost /entirely/ made up of gamers, I'll ask:

What makes a good RPG system for you?

This isn't a matter of organization, or of artwork, or of cost. What is it, specifically about a game system, that gets your attention and revs your engines?

For me:

Between 5 and 8 descriptive stats that give a good, easily communicated, picture of a character's general competence. Tri-Stat, although I like the flexibility of it, I hardly ever actually /use/. Anything with more than 8 or 9 stats, on the other hand, is too much of a pain in the ass to teach and use. I /like/ D&D stats, although leave off the Comeliness, thanks.

Simple, dice-based, combat resolution. For me, Unknown Armies has just nearly the perfect combat resolution system. It can be damned deadly, but it follows the same simple formula under almost all circumstances, has provisions for a variety of weapons and fighting styles, and best of all, is easy to extrapolate a reasonable solution to any combat situation the rules don't specifically cover. In Nomine, love it though I do, is a good example of frustrating combat.

Abstract health. I don't like hit tables, or having to calcuate crippling chances for each limb, or having to keep track of how much armor is over each body part. Give me some hit points, health points, vital points, or whatever you want to call it, and I can make up the rest as I go along.

Fatigue system for magic/psychic/supernatural abilities. I've actually /yet/ to see one that I really like. I know the system I want to see, but it's not been implemented in any game that I'm familiar with. And that's a darned shame.

So. Those are the ones that immediately spring to my mind. What turns /you/ on?

[identity profile] cpip.livejournal.com 2005-05-18 05:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, I agree -- I want a gritty, realistic health system for the UFant. It is a bad thing to be injured.

Yeah, I'm about there -- In Nomine still takes me longer because I always feel so dang overwhelmed about choosing Songs and such. For some reason my brain can't handle Songs in IN.

[identity profile] fadethecat.livejournal.com 2005-05-18 05:48 pm (UTC)(link)
(More that one can't /find/ the bloody songs, at least not by checking the index.)

*coughs* Not that I'm bitter or anything. Oddly enough, I usually deal with that same inability to choose Songs by making characters who have none, or have only a single Song that goes exceptionally well with their style (Healing for Flowers/Children types, Thunder for Wind, Affinity for, well, any Lilim... And so forth). Which is perhaps a cop-out.

[identity profile] pyrephox.livejournal.com 2005-05-18 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I also tend to only have one or two Songs when I start out with a character. Mostly that's because of point costs, though. Starting characters in IN have a tendency to be point poor.

Speaking of flexibility, I wish Songs in IN were more flexible than they are. You can make them a little moreso if your character is a Virtuoso, but that's a very difficult mastery to attain.

[identity profile] multiplexer.livejournal.com 2005-05-18 05:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Several sections of the IN system is poorly designed, and Songs are one of them. It seems good in concept -- giving the characters "spells," as such -- but not well implemented. They tend to be very narrow in focus and only good for one or two very specific uses.

I've found burning starting points on skills is a better buy in the long run than songs.

[identity profile] fadethecat.livejournal.com 2005-05-18 05:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I kinda like the simplicity of Songs; there's something very, mm, thematic about them working /just so/ no matter what, and it keeps the focus more on resonances and attunements than on 'spells'. On the other hand, I can certainly appreciate the desire for flexibility. Choices GOOD.

[identity profile] cpip.livejournal.com 2005-05-18 06:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Index? Index? BWAHAHAHA. I don't even bother to use the corebook, just the LCant. Which could contribute to the overwhelmingness.

[identity profile] fadethecat.livejournal.com 2005-05-18 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
It's gotten to the point where if what I need isn't some basic band/choir/superior thing (because I can at least find those in the book), I ask people online. It's easier than trying to actually refer to the seventeen page numbers listed under the topic...

And, yeah, I can see the LCant making Song-choices a touch overwhelming.

[identity profile] pyrephox.livejournal.com 2005-05-18 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmmmm. We should start talking about that again. Maybe in another post. :D (I'm waiting on my library card to arrive for this county, and then I'm going to go down to the main library and get some books on those last mythologies we discussed. Voudoun, Hindu, and...African myths, wasn't it?)

[identity profile] cpip.livejournal.com 2005-05-18 06:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Voudoun, Hindu, African, Russian, and if you can find ANYTHING, Lithuanian. (This last is a late addition.)

[identity profile] pyrephox.livejournal.com 2005-05-18 06:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Lithuanian? Hmmmmmm. I'll looksee. :D

[identity profile] cpip.livejournal.com 2005-05-18 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
The last pagan kingdom in Europe was Lithuania. :)