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Gah.
As someone who is planning to go into education in South Carolina, the ongoing attempt to push intelligent design into our classrooms is of intense interest to me. And, of course, you know my opinion of intelligent design's validity. So, when I read this story from our local paper, it makes me wish to weep.
"A lawmaker pushing to give teachers alternatives to evolution won’t identify the people he has asked to advise a state panel.
State Sen. Mike Fair has invited two experts to advise the school reform oversight agency, which is evaluating the standards for teaching the origins of life.
Fair said he promised the two advisers he would protect their identities to minimize scrutiny of their views and credentials prior to their appearance before an EOC subcommittee next week..."
Now why, I must wonder, if these to are experts in their fields, would they wish to MINIMIZE scrutiny of their credentials? If they have good credentials, relevant to the science of evolution and the practice of public education, then they should be proclaiming them loudly and proudly. Credentials sell opinions...unless, of course, you don't have any.
"Fair has emerged as the leading voice to modify lesson guidelines for high school biology by advocating for the inclusion of language that gives teachers more leeway in discussing alternatives to Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution.
Fair insists he is not advocating teachers present lessons about creationism, which draws on the Bible to explain the origins of life, or “intelligent design,” a relatively new theory challenging evolution because it cannot fully explain some of life’s mysteries."
...then what /is/ he proposing? What 'alternatives' does he wish to teach? The world sprung from the loins of the Great Mother Goddess (God, if I were a teacher who did not value my job, I would /love/ to teach that as an 'alternative')? For that matter...
It's not Darwin's theory! Darwin was one of the /original/ theorists, and certainly the father of evolutionary biology, but the theory of evolution has gone far, far beyond his work. It has been adapted for new evidence, expanded, revised through experimentation and study, and held up through decades of intense scrutiny by brilliant minds of many different disciplines. Evolution, in some form or fashion, is the /only/ theory we have that adequately explains what we see in the world around us. "God did it" is not an explanation. It tells us nothing about our world, it gives us no areas for exploration, and it helps not at all with the development of new technologies and knowledges. It's not a bloody alternative, no matter how you phrase it, or what kind of mealy-mouthed pretty psuedo-scientific language that you put it in.
Damn it all.
"A lawmaker pushing to give teachers alternatives to evolution won’t identify the people he has asked to advise a state panel.
State Sen. Mike Fair has invited two experts to advise the school reform oversight agency, which is evaluating the standards for teaching the origins of life.
Fair said he promised the two advisers he would protect their identities to minimize scrutiny of their views and credentials prior to their appearance before an EOC subcommittee next week..."
Now why, I must wonder, if these to are experts in their fields, would they wish to MINIMIZE scrutiny of their credentials? If they have good credentials, relevant to the science of evolution and the practice of public education, then they should be proclaiming them loudly and proudly. Credentials sell opinions...unless, of course, you don't have any.
"Fair has emerged as the leading voice to modify lesson guidelines for high school biology by advocating for the inclusion of language that gives teachers more leeway in discussing alternatives to Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution.
Fair insists he is not advocating teachers present lessons about creationism, which draws on the Bible to explain the origins of life, or “intelligent design,” a relatively new theory challenging evolution because it cannot fully explain some of life’s mysteries."
...then what /is/ he proposing? What 'alternatives' does he wish to teach? The world sprung from the loins of the Great Mother Goddess (God, if I were a teacher who did not value my job, I would /love/ to teach that as an 'alternative')? For that matter...
It's not Darwin's theory! Darwin was one of the /original/ theorists, and certainly the father of evolutionary biology, but the theory of evolution has gone far, far beyond his work. It has been adapted for new evidence, expanded, revised through experimentation and study, and held up through decades of intense scrutiny by brilliant minds of many different disciplines. Evolution, in some form or fashion, is the /only/ theory we have that adequately explains what we see in the world around us. "God did it" is not an explanation. It tells us nothing about our world, it gives us no areas for exploration, and it helps not at all with the development of new technologies and knowledges. It's not a bloody alternative, no matter how you phrase it, or what kind of mealy-mouthed pretty psuedo-scientific language that you put it in.
Damn it all.
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"I identify the effects of class size on student achievement using longitudinal variation in the population associated with each grade in 649 elementary schools. I use variation in class size driven by idiosyncratic variation in the population. I also use discrete jumps in class size that occur when a small change in enrollment triggers a maximum or minimum class size rule. The estimates indicate that class size does not have a statistically significant effect on student achievement. I rule out even modest effects (2 to 4 percent of a standard deviation in scores for a 10 percent reduction in class size). © 2000 the President and Fellows of Harvard College and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology" From "The Effects Of Class Size On Student Achievement: New Evidence From Population Variation" by Caroline Hoxby. Linky
Further, while the STAR study from Tennesee, considered a 'small' class to be 13-17 students. And a large one to be 22-26. Unfortunately for your viewpoint, the average class size is already down to around 16, which is down over the last 20 years from 18. So we're already down into the range of small classes on average. Making them even smaller isn't going to help. And, according to
"I identify the effects of class size on student achievement using longitudinal variation in the population associated with each grade in 649 elementary schools. I use variation in class size driven by idiosyncratic variation in the population. I also use discrete jumps in class size that occur when a small change in enrollment triggers a maximum or minimum class size rule. The estimates indicate that class size does not have a statistically significant effect on student achievement. I rule out even modest effects (2 to 4 percent of a standard deviation in scores for a 10 percent reduction in class size). © 2000 the President and Fellows of Harvard College and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology" From "The Effects Of Class Size On Student Achievement: New Evidence From Population Variation" by Caroline Hoxby. <a href="http://ideas.repec.org/a/tpr/qjecon/v115y2000i4p1239-1285.html#abstract"> Linky </a>
Further, while the STAR study from Tennesee, considered a 'small' class to be 13-17 students. And a large one to be 22-26. Unfortunately for your viewpoint, the average class size is already down to around 16, which is down over the last 20 years from 18. So we're already down into the range of small classes on average. Making them even smaller isn't going to help. And, according to <a href="http://www.alec.org/meSWFiles/pdf/0424.pdf> this </a> in inflation adjusted dollars we've tripled spending over the last 40 years.
Re: the first citation on this post, I can't read either the original or Hedges, Laine and Greenwald's rebuttal so I can't judge for myself who is more accurate in their methodology. Judging from the abstract though, it seems that Hedge et. al. had a viewpoint and went looking to refute a major analysis of various studies that disagreed with that viewpoint. And surprise! They did.
I think there's an important point here I didn't make earlier. Would I agree that spending 3K on a student will have some impact on quality of education versus say 9K on another student? Sure. I'm arguing that overall totals have gone up, and up, and up, with no real improvements. So let's say that <a href="http://www.pdkintl.org/kappan/kbid9709.htm">this guy</a> is right and it's the disparting that's the problem. A tax voucher system at the state level -solves- that problem, not adds to it. Because you take the total state education revenues, say NC's of 9 Billion and divided it by the number of students at a little over 130K, and you get 6900.00 per student. John Smith who is poor gets the same as Jane Doe who is rich to fund his education. And his parents get to choose where he goes. So if the inner city school down the block isn't cutting it, his parents can choose another school. Overcrowding is alleviated, as the best schools will be most in demand and will be able to build to keep up with the demand. In short, school choice is -more- egaliatarian than how we do it now.
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And while I do agree that there could be significant reform in the area of educational funding (I don't think we're using the money we're getting in necessarily the right ways), I still don't see any compelling evidence that vouchers will do anything other than shift the problems around.
Will some students benefit? Probably. Will enough students consistently benefit in order to make it a worthwhile adjustment, while staving off some of the truly unpleasant consequences of giving public funds to private schools of dubious qualifications? ...I don't see it. I don't see any data to really support that conclusion. I see a lot of hope. I see a lot of optimism. But concrete examples? Not so much. Thus, I'm exercising my right to be conservative, and suggest that perhaps tossing our kids into an entirely new system should wait until the data proves out, one way or another.
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From everything I've found, and you've shown me, the students who benefit the most are the ones at the bottom. At worst, the middle and upper stay about where they are. And none of these have shown that it makes things worse for the worst off, unless I missed something.
You mention 'truly unpleasant consequences'. Like what? Schools that graduate students who are functionally illiterate? Happening right now under gov't monopoly. And without choice programs, or being wealthy, there's nothing those worst served can do about it. With a choice program they can go to another school, where it may only be marginally better or it may be a great deal better.
Schools that are dangerous? Already have that in gov't monopoly. And you can't /make/ them clean it up, because they know if you're kid is in their district and you're not wealthy, he's got to go there and that school is gonna get funding regardless. Heck, even if you do take the kid out, they still get funding for him. The current gov't monopoly /disincentivises/ improving schools.
Schools where money is wasted in vast sums? Again, we're spending, on average 10K a year per student on schools, not counting capital expenditures. Look at Kansas city from 1995 to 2000. Look into the waste going on at CMS just a little north of where you're at. Hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent and the board and administration have intentionally underbuilt in the suburbs where most of the growth is, and overbuilt in the inner city so they can get around a court order to stop busing. The result has been the inner city schools doing increasingly worse, and overcrowding in the suburban schools. And ever higher numbers of people moving out of the county, or home schooling, or sucking up the extra cost of paying for private education out of pocket.
Drain of resources from public schools? What difference does /that/ make. Unless the primary concern is making sure the school is part of the gov't monopoly, this is irrelevant. If everyone can get an education at a private facility, or a mix of public and private, with the
gov'ttaxpayers picking up the tab for those that can't afford it, what difference does it make? The resources are going to the student directly, the only people hurt by it are the umpteen layers of bureacracy. The driving off of taxpayers to districts where things are done more reasonably is more of a drain and danger for the poor than a follow-the-pupil system would be.I should probably stop though, I think we're going in circles at this point. In all the stuff I've presented I've yet to see any of the following disproved:
* The government is spending more and more money overall, while getting worse and worse results
* There have been successes both here and abroad in numerous places, some are, at worst, moderate successes. Others are quite spectacular.
* That in a democratic society parents should have a choice in where their children go to school. There's no evidence showing that compulsory system we have is working.
I mean, I understand why a few teachers, but esp. bureaucrats and teacher union /leaders/ fear this. It means they'll have to compete like the rest of us. No more cushy tenure (or whatever the equivalent is for H.S.), no more being able to ignore parents complaints, no more being able to carry out their grand social experiments with other people's money. They'll have to be responsive and accountable in a way the ridiculous NCLB doesn't make them, because if they aren't, if they don't provide a good education, they wind up looking for a real job.
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And no, it's not about being afraid to compete. It's about being afraid that kids are going to get screwed over. You may think that belief is /wrong/, but please don't automatically assume selfish motives to those who disagree with you.
I think our fundamental assumptions are so diverse, here, that unless we can come up with some really firm data one way or another, we can toss isolated examples of both viewpoints at each other all night without changing each other's minds. But I've enjoyed the discussion, and it's given me some new things to look up! Thanks!