pyrephox: (Default)
Pyrephox ([personal profile] pyrephox) wrote2006-02-08 08:44 am

[Rant] Feminism



I used to be one of those women who said, "I believe in equality between the sexes and all that stuff, but I'm not a /feminist/..." until I realized that every position I held fell exactly within the mainstream feminist movement, and most of the 'bad' things I'd heard about "feminists" were, in fact, entirely untrue. So now, I'm happily a feminist.

And listening to some women just pisses me off. "Well, we're equal now, so I don't think we need to /push/ any further. It'll just upset people. There'll be a backlash." "Oh, well, equality is good, but if a woman dresses in a certain way, you can't really blame a man for thinking she wants sex..." "Oh, I've never seen any evidence of inequality in my life. I mean, sure I work a full-time job and do all the housework and cooking, but that's just the way it is. And if he pisses me off too much, he just won't get sex, so that works."

1. Not so equal. Better. Loads and tons better, but now is the more difficult part...it's not about overt discrimination so much (except for some occupational and military restrictions), but about challenging implicit assumptions about the way men and women are 'supposed' to interact. Not to mention fighting restrictions on birth control and sex education...both of which benefit women to a great extent, since women are the ones who historically suffer more from unwanted pregnancies and the cultural assumptions of sexual indiscretion. And that's only in the broadest mainstream culture. Within the subcultures of America, there are several in which women are not equal at all, and although legal statutes may exist, the culture is oppressive and young women are unaware of their rights or abilities to choose other ways of living.

2. Fuck the backlash.

3. Women are not responsible for the sexual behavior of men, unless they're committing force upon them. Men are not responsible for the sexual behavior of women, unless they're committing force upon them. Doesn't matter is someone is walking down the street completely in the nude, any human being does possess the capacity not to leap upon them and force them into sex. If you ignore that capacity, you get no excuses, no blame anywhere but on yourself. Stop with the fucking clothes already.

4. Just because you haven't noticed any inequality doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Maybe you're one of those lucky, lucky people who lives in a truly enlightened area with no gender issues at all. Excellent. Figure out what the people around you are doing right, and bring it out to the rest of the world. I live in the state with, at last check, THE highest female mortality rate from domestic violence in the entire country. We're number 5 in the nation for total DV cases, and number 1 in dead women. Aren't we special?

5. I hate headgames. I don't want to 'make a man think he's King, as long as he knows who is Queen'. I want a friend, a partner, someone I can be honest with, and work out an arrangement of domestic chores and so forth that works for both of us, without any manipulation of passive-aggressive little plays. And I sure as hell don't want to use sex as a doggie biscuit for male good behavior...I /like/ sex, theoretically. It's supposed to be fun, and intimate, and something shared between people who at the very least like each other. Using sexual relations as a method of relationship manipulation just makes me feel sad.

*grumble* This, of course, is why I shouldn't read women's forums. A lot of sensible opinions, and then a few that are just, ARGH.
archangelbeth: An egyptian-inspired eye, centered between feathered wings. (Default)

[personal profile] archangelbeth 2006-02-08 02:52 pm (UTC)(link)
about challenging implicit assumptions about the way men and women are 'supposed' to interact.

Amen. Or just "supposed" to behave, even when there are no men around...

(As for clothing... I can see dressing a certain way meaning that yeah, you want looks, and a polite pass is reasonable, but a polite rejection is also fine, and no means no. Even if someone wants it to mean yes. Even if BOTH want it to mean yes. If someone means yes, say it. (And while we're at it, if one eats animal flesh, one is not a vegetarian and don't call oneself that if you eat chicken. It screws up life for those of us who don't eat dead animal flesh. Which is a different rant, but all about meanings and screwing things up for those who use the correct ones.))

[identity profile] pyrephox.livejournal.com 2006-02-08 04:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes. And sadly, the traditional female focus on social interaction means that other women tend to be more stringent enforcers of 'proper behavior' for women than men are, generally. It can be very frustrating to start to change those patterns of interaction.

(Oh, certainly! There is definitely such a thing as dressing to get a reaction, and reactions can be gratifying...but the dresser /always/ reserves the right to set the boundaries of acceptable interactions. Just because a woman wants looks, doesn't give anyone the right, then, to touch. And yes, god. If you're interested in someone, SAY SOMETHING. Say yes if they ask you out. Ask them out. Don't moon from afar, and mope.)

(Hee. I can see how that would be very annoying and confusing. I've always been a little confused on whether eating fish still counted as being a vegetarian. Many vegetarians seem to be okay with it, and then some aren't.)

(Anonymous) 2006-02-08 04:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Heck, yeah. Someone comes along with a different style of conversation, and there's this big problem -- especially if it seems like the person is making you wrong in what you've done (and quite probably done well, by intuition or just learning the rules) for so long... Hard stuff.

(AMEN! Tricky, yes. But one can usually get around to at least expressing some interest if one tries -- and if one is interested enough to think about touching, good LORDS, ask!)

(They are not vegetarians. They are mistaken. They are indirectly annoying me by claiming to be vegetarians (as are the chicken-eaters), because I do not eat animal flesh. I am an ovo-lacto vegetarian: I eat eggs and dairy. They are barely piscian-vegetarians or something, and should just say they "only eat fish flesh" or something.)

(BTW: true story about the indirect messing with true non-flesh-eaters. I was in the hospital after having the minx and despite being registered as ovo-lacto vegetarian, got chicken. The nurse was wroth, since I tiredly said I'd just eat around it, and went to chew out the cook and get me real food. If someone says vegetarian, then don't serve them meat! Even if they're a misguided no-red-meat-eater who thinks "vegetarian" is the right word -- time to learn better!

(I guess she was wroth since I was a nursing mother and she didn't want me fainting or something. O:> )
archangelbeth: An egyptian-inspired eye, centered between feathered wings. (Default)

[personal profile] archangelbeth 2006-02-08 04:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Self-Memo: log in first, and then compose message.