Disgusting.

What the hell kind of country do we live in that a woman can't get a prescription for birth control within /100/ miles of her town? With dozens of hospitals and clinics available? Moreover, a prescription for a medication that she shouldn't even NEED a prescription for in the first damned place, because it's licensed for Over the Counter sale? Not to mention that crap about qualifying for some moralistic doctor's 'criteria' to prove that you're WORTHY enough to not have to spend 18 YEARS caring for a child because you dared to have out of marriage sex and your damned condom broke.

If people really, truly wanted to reduce the number of abortions, and the incidence of child abuse, in this country, they would back easily available and cheap birth control for everyone, EVERYONE, who wants it, no questions asked or expected.

I am steamed.
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From: [identity profile] solaas.livejournal.com


That is truly disgusting. Ew. The fucking NERVE of those asshole doctors! I am deebly iffy about the conscience clause re. abortions, eespecially the abortion pill, but I accept it. THIS, however, should not be allowed. Conscience my left foot, it's nothing but moralistic oppression. Ew.

Though, I have to add that if it had been me with 3 kids and no desire for a 4th, I would have had my tubes killed.

From: [identity profile] pyrephox.livejournal.com


Yeah. It sucks donkey bits.

It sounds like she's already had some sort of operation (cervical cancer, maybe?), and getting your tubes tied is a fairly major surgical procedure which doesn't always work, and when it doesn't work /completely/, then there's a heightened risk of tubal pregnancies, which can kill you dead. So I, at least, would be wary about having that done.



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From: [identity profile] solaas.livejournal.com


Not tied. Killed. As in removed completely. A neighbour back home can drink to how tubes are evil little bastards that heal and cause more baby mayhem, just when you thought you were safe. (At least for them it was still okay with another baby, when they got over the initial O_o of it all.) So I wouldn't trust a mere "knot". =p

From: [identity profile] pyrephox.livejournal.com


Oh, yeah. Cut, tied, and burnt, I think it's called around here.

Still. I'm ambivalent on the idea of having kids myself, but still wouldn't want to go under general anesthetic and have a major surgical procedure for it all...even if I could afford that procedure without insurance, which I can't.

Which is why I love on my birth control, as useless as it may currently be! *love!*
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From: [identity profile] solaas.livejournal.com


Yah. I have never wanted kids, and ten years ago I thought about getting sterilised. But back then I thought I was too young to do something that drastic. How would I know that I wouldn't want to have kids later on, say after 30? Now that I'm past 30, I cay say for certain that I do not want kids. I don't want that responsibility. But having been celibate for 7-8 years and very happy with that, I don't feel the need for neither surgery nor happy little hormones in pill form. I'll give it another think if some bloke manages to convince me I should be interested in him. (Good luck to him; he'll need it.) :)

*pets your pill*

From: [identity profile] pyrephox.livejournal.com


*nodnods* Makes sense to me! :D

I have not a pill! I have the NuvaRing (http://www.nuvaring.com/Consumer/index.asp?guid={7D3C6809-E154-46F0-9EBE-4F7DD62EC5B9}&sid=1065997750), which is an insertable hormone BC method. It doesn't make me sick like the Pill did, and it doesn't require remembering to take a pill every day at the same time. Just three weeks in, one week out.

I love it good.

From: [identity profile] jackwalker.livejournal.com


Yep. That's the country we live in: a place where women take almost all of the risks and bear almost all of the costs of human sexuality, and men get to make all the decisions. This is what passes for "morality" around here.

I would hate to discover what the folks supporting this scheme consider to be "justice."

From: [identity profile] pyrephox.livejournal.com


It's so...stupid. Just stupid and infuriating, particularly on the scale in which the poster experienced it.

Honestly, it makes me scared of what's going to happen when I leave school, and can no longer use the University pharmacy to get my BC prescriptions. South Carolina is not noticibly more liberal than Ohio.

From: [identity profile] thebookpixie.livejournal.com


I went to school in rural Ohio. So i know (as more than a third-hand rumor) the conversation:

Student: "The condom broke. Can I get the morning after pill?"
Nurse: "I'll have to get a prescription for it from the on-call doctor, if he'll do it." (This was several years before it was OTC, of course)
Student: "...'if he'll do it'? Why wouldn't he?"
Nurse [lowering her voice and glancing around]: "Catholic Doctors."
Student: "Oh."

So yes. If you had sex, at age 18 or 20, and tried to be safe (but failed), and went for help... the Catholic doctors might decide the prescription was "too risky" (many suffer from severe side effects, although some experience almost nothing abnormal) or just not moral, and choose not to prescribe it.

Scary. And no, SC really isn't notably more liberal than Ohio. Although sticking to larger cities is always safer than the truly remote country towns.

From: [identity profile] dreadmouse.livejournal.com


Call me an idiot, but I think we've got it all 100% backwards. Every child should be wanted, dammit. If I were running the world (HA!) I would give everyone implants (contraceptive, not breast) and make it so they deliberately have to go to a doctor to have the implant removed if they want kids. Period. No pregnancies but planned pregnancies, that's my ideal world.

From: [identity profile] pyrephox.livejournal.com


In theory, that would be great.

...except that within six months, we'd find people having the exact opposite problem: doctors refusing the remove the implants because they don't think the person is 'moral' enough to be a parent. Because they're gay, or they're black, or they're an atheist, or they're a Baptist...

From: [identity profile] pyrephox.livejournal.com


Just to clarify...

...the people who are pulling this kind of stuff? It's not really about 'life', or children, or religion, or anything else. It's about them wanting to control the lives of people they don't approve of. You give them /any/ means to do that, and they'll ride it like a drunk cowboy on a mechanical bull.

From: [identity profile] cpip.livejournal.com


Yup. It sucks.

I am opposed to abortion. I have no objections to emergency contraception. (I had to draw my line in the sand about where life began, same as everyone else did; implantation seemed like a good and solid point for me, and slightly better than conception for reasons I can't make clear. It's all about the gut here.)

This is... disturbing beyond belief.

From: [identity profile] dreadmouse.livejournal.com


I'm curious (and perhaps trolling, in which case tell me to stfu and move along, because you don't owe me any answers and your gut is your gut.) Are you opposed to abortion in all instances? What about rape? Or a fetus with severe disabilities?

From: [identity profile] cpip.livejournal.com


Of the two instances in which you describe:

The latter smacks far, far too much of eugenics to me. The former becomes an unhappy and unpleasant gray area, but ultimately, I find I am still opposed to an abortion in that instance.
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