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Pyrephox ([personal profile] pyrephox) wrote2009-03-06 08:55 pm

Siiigh.

It's never fun to see people who you normally respect and even admire ending up like everyone else on the internet.

As a side note, I like Ani Difranco, and I especially like one lyric from a song that goes, "Privilege is a headache you don't know that you don't have". I think that I've rarely heard the concept summed up better. There are a lot of headaches I don't have. I'm white, I'm straight, I'm apathetic about religion, and I'm solidly middle class (and have been perceived as such even when I /wasn't/, because I don't have much of an accent, and my conversational patterns are heavily inspired by my readings), so I can be one of the powered majority in almost every context except the gendered.

I think there are conversations that Fandom (in general, and in specific fandoms) needs to have about our inclusiveness; fandom has tended to view itself as a comforting, accepting venue for the 'weird ones'. However, what that usually ends up /meaning/ is the 'white, straight, male weird ones'. You can vary 'male'...online and modern media fandom tend to skew female, but gaming fandom still tends to be pretty male-dominated, particularly in the live venues. I can't really answer for how welcomed or unwelcomed gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender fen feel within fandom; I can point out a few things that make me deeply uncomfortable (not least of which is the fetishization of gay men or gay male stereotypes for the sexual gratification of straight women and I could write a whole essay on the course of my drifting away from slash fandoms from my discovery of them in the early nineties all the way to today), though. And I've long been dissatisfied with the way I see a lot of cons: namely, a sea of white. There simply isn't a lot of diversity in, at least, the con-going fandom that I've seen (I live in the Southern United States. This may be different in other parts of the country).

I'm not sure how to improve the situation, but there's a lot of defensiveness about just the observation, and I think that's wrong. And, for that matter, I'm not sure it's even my place to say how to 'improve the situation', since I'm not one of the ones being discouraged from joining fandom, consciously or unconsciously. But I'm pretty sure that the right way has nothing to do with refusing to acknowledge the issue, nor with getting all defensive and pissy because you're made to feel like now you have to think about whether you're being offensive. Nor does it have to do with trotting out the old canards about being 'colorblind' (because, again, if you're white, you have the /privilege/ of being colorblind, because society assumes your color is the default), or diverting the conversation to how you feel as a white person being forced to think about these issues, or about that time someone you know was once treated unfairly because he was white and how that proves that racism is an equal problem for everyone. Not. Helping.

God, this was a bit of a ramble.

I suppose my only point is...I wish fandom were as open and accepting as we claim we are.
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[identity profile] solaas.livejournal.com 2009-03-07 10:38 am (UTC)(link)
Word. I've only been to one con (Yaoi Con), and while that one was ninety-lots percent women, they were still predominantly white. (Or course, that particular con fetishises the gay, etc, but it's the only damn con I've been to, so deal! :P) I wish I knew more about gaming demographics; my hunch is that table-top gamers are predominantly white males (although in my personal experience, I know at least as many female gamers and male), whereas console games have a more balanced audience. But I have no data on this, so it's just a hunch.

Going on the defensive is just silly. Nobody's asking anybody to apologise for being a fan of something, nor is anyone demanding that fen must go forth to kidnap and brainwash people to join their fandom to meet a specific quota of gender, ethnicity, age, culture, geography, social group, etc.... :)

[identity profile] cythraul.livejournal.com 2009-03-07 11:44 am (UTC)(link)
When you get to what we think of as really geeky fandom, I see a much higher quotient of folks openly flaunting their various LBGTQWTFBBQ status. The attitude to it all is the same one I saw at UW: "[shrug] So, In Nomne or D&D today?" I know I've never been made to feel unwelcome. (... I am however a white male, which I gather covers a multitude of sins when determining if I'm to feel welcome or not.)

Even when I encounter homophobia, it feels like it's out at fringe, where I'm just as likely to get flack for being a heliocentrist or a Canadian or something. It's The Crazy that's present in any gathering of humans.

(I'm also not remotely sure how representative my experiences are.)

"The fetishization of gay men or gay male stereotypes for the sexual gratification of straight women" also doesn't bother me - girls want to swoon over me and another guy, have at 'er. (Scare quotes not for contempt but because I'm directly using most of your sentence and didn't want to do so unmarked. :P) Guys have been fetishizing lesbians forever. For that matter, everyone's been fetishizing het couples forever...

[identity profile] undauntra.livejournal.com 2009-03-07 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Your observations hold true about cons in New England as well; there are very few black faces in con-going fandom. (A fair number of Asian faces, though - I think the reason you get the 'sea of white' impression down here is that there's a lower percentage of Asians in the general population.) However, you should be aware that it's not just an artifact of fandom; a similar situation prevailed when I was at MIT. Although the university made a strong effort to attract black students, once they got to the Institute they tended to be socially isolated from the rest of campus. There was even a separate section of one of the dorms set aside as "Chocolate City".