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Pyrephox ([personal profile] pyrephox) wrote2004-12-18 10:17 am

Political Stuff.

Ah, well. I have little expectation (or maybe just a LOT of hope) that this will get anywhere beyond the talking stage. But just the idea that an elected representative /is/ talking about repealing constitutional seperation of church and state, if only on the state level, and not being widely denouced as a bleeding moron...that worries me.

But, the optimist in me insists that Florida is the /least/ likely state in the South to ever pass such an initiative. So, hopefully.

[identity profile] maladaptive.livejournal.com 2004-12-18 04:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Despite our relatively democratic centers of Miami, Florida is a bunch of hicks.

That frightens me and it's SO UNCONSTITUTIONAL I wanna barf.

[identity profile] letiwolf.livejournal.com 2004-12-18 05:56 pm (UTC)(link)
To be fair, that IS awfully strong language. There are a lot of colleges and hospitals and charities that are connected to religious organizations but don't spend the money they are given for religious purposes.

If it counts towards religious primary schools - which is effectively what vouchers are about, what stops it from counting towards colleges? I went to a small religiously tied college because I could get a good education and I liked the atmosphere on campus. I got student aid. That was nice. I would have been stuck at the state schools if I didn't, and a good, private education would only be for the rich.

Unfortunately, there are no moderates in the world. Either they must leave that rather strong wording completely alone, or they will completely repeal it. No way to get them to, oh, find some middle ground that still protects churches from the state (and each other) and the state from the churches, but also permits public works - colleges, soup kitchens, hospitals - to recieve public funds.

[identity profile] pyrephox.livejournal.com 2004-12-18 06:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Eh. I have problems with religious institutions recieving state money, full stop. All too often, religious institutions are unable to provide aid without selling their religion as well, and ideally, in my opinion, the government should never be supporting any religious belief, directly or indirectly.
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[personal profile] archangelbeth 2004-12-18 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
And so far, if my sources (which I've blanked on, bah) are to be believed, the relaxing of "money to religious charity-type organizations" has been... only to Christian organizations.

I.e., either they fund ALL religions equally, or they should fund none...

[identity profile] prodigal.livejournal.com 2004-12-19 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
Ther've been some Jewish organisations, and I think one Muslim organisation may have received some funds (at least, before 9/11,) but for the most part it's practically a Christian-only thing.