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([personal profile] pyrephox Sep. 16th, 2005 01:19 pm)
Massachusetts Rejects Gay Marriage Amendment: The proposed Constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage in Mass. was overwhelmingly voted down, 157-39. Those that voted against it included those who had previously supported the ban. In fact, one of the co-sponsors, Republican state Senator Brian Lees, said, "Gay marriage has begun, and life has not changed for the citizens of the commonwealth, with the exception of those who can now marry. This amendment which was an appropriate measure or compromise a year ago, is no longer, I feel, a compromise today."

In less cheerful news, Karl Rove has been put in charge of Katrina reconstruction efforts (It's slipped into the ninth paragraph, so look close!). I have no doubt that his tremendous experience in things not at all related to disaster recovery will serve him well in his endeavors. Well, at least Halliburton is happy, right? And for those who believe Bush really stands for limited government, I give you a quote from him, "It is now clear that a challenge on this scale requires greater federal authority and a broader role for the armed forces." Yes, indeedy.

Also! Yesterday, a naked man, wearing nothing but sneakers and a football helmet ran through my university cafeteria. It's just one of those things that makes you feel kind of giggly inside.

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Yay for random streakers!

Nothing like seeing some nakid person running past to brighten the mood.
XD

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Are you saying you plan to run past me naked at the party?
O_O

(Cpip staring as the Sultan in the new short 'The Sultan's New Clothes' based off the childrens story 'The Emperor's New Clothes'.)

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Actually, I was thinking if it gets dull, of volunteering YOU to run past everyone naked.

From: [identity profile] cpip.livejournal.com


You'd be next on the volunteer path, m'dear. Equal opportunity and all that.
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Get me slightly buzzed and everyone else in the right stage of drunkeness, and I might contemplate it. :P

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I will remember this in a few weeks, sometime after midnight.

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In other news, the Chicago Tribune reports that Roy and Silo, the celebrated gay penguins, have split up. Silo has taken up with a female named Scrappy. They've already had one egg, but it didn't hatch -- but they're purportedly trying again.

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Cute! Was there a hurling of fish? All breakups should have a few good hurlings of something!

From: [identity profile] cpip.livejournal.com


The article did not say how the breakup went, save that Roy is NOT taking it well; he's apparently wandering around morose and bothering the immature penguins of either gender. Maybe he's having a mid-life crisis.

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Poor Roy! It can be hard to be abandoned for some floozy with a womb. If he tries to paint his nest a bright red and starts combing over his feathers, they should be worried.

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Mental note:Buy Haillburton shares, I have a feeling they will be picking up some lucrative new contracts soon :/

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And for those who believe Bush really stands for limited government, I give you a quote from him, "It is now clear that a challenge on this scale requires greater federal authority and a broader role for the armed forces." Yes, indeedy.

And here's where, for those of us who believe in limited gov't, you'll find plenty of criticism for Bush on the right. There aren't many of us that would claim he's a classic Republican in that sense. Yes, he advocated the tax cuts and most of us applaud those, but its more of a 'any water when thirsty is better than nothing' than 'Mmmm, a nice bucket o' Gatorade'. I don't know of any Republican but the most Totemic that would claim Bush is a limited gov't guy. It's just compared to folks like Kerry, Gore, et. al. he looks much better than he is.

I've said since 2000, that Bush is the Republican version of Clinton. The difference between the two in terms of policy is thin. Oh, Clinton was a little more to the left on certain things, and Bush is further to the right, but, put it this way:

M= Middle of the Political Spectrum.
b= Bush
c= Clinton.
L= Left
R= Right

L..............c...M...b..............R

Regardless of my agreement with him on foreign policy (or, well, close agreement) he's not a limited government guy. From the early Faith Based Initiative, to funding prescription benefits, to DHS and the TSA, to the USA PATRIOT Act and the airline bailouts, to the steel tarriffs, to No Child Left Behind, to continuing farm subsidies, and spending money on alternative energy research, to expanding medical research funding (with the exception of stem cells and that for the wrong reasons), to the vile levels of pork in the recent energy bill; he's acted more like a Democrat than a Republican in all those matters. I don't think anyone would attempt to call him a small government conservative. He likes to spend, he just wants to spend on things Democrats don't like.

*trails off into libertarian grumblings*


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See, I'd probably put Clinton a few ticks back towards the right (he is actually liberal on very /few/ issues, excepting abortion rights and labor issues), and Bush several more ticks towards the right. More like, L............Mc.........b...R, and with much of Bush's advisors and closest influences right up next to the R, tugging policy even further in that direction.

But then, I've yet to see truly notable push towards limited government from the Republican party since the late seventies. Towards breaking down laws that protect citizens from abusive employers, yes. Towards reducing social networks and aid for the disadvantaged, yes. But actually reducing government influence in people's lives? Not really. And that's largely the result of allying with the political wing of the Christian fundamentalists, who largely view government as a tool to return the nation to God. Since that union, 'smaller, less restrictive government' only applies to companies, in my opinion.

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I think the problem is that it's not, and never HAS been, a single-axis query, but that everyone tends to insist it IS.

I'm for relatively limited government AND extensive foreign intervention, for instance. (I've heard the term 'imperialist libertarian,' but I'm not sure I buy it.)

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Granted. The 'left' and the 'right' are aggragated opinions that are only usually, not exclusively, correllated. Although many of the people who express desires for limited government are /also/ in favor of strong military spending and operations abroad, so I'm not sure the two are all that unusual to split up.

Possibly divide it into:

Social Self-determination-----------------------Social Collectivism
(Where SSD is the belief that people should be left largely alone to make the civil decisions they wish, without interference from authorities, and social collectivism is the belief that there is a 'right' set of social behaviors that people should follow, and that deviation from those should be at least discouraged or actively opposed.)
Support of domestic spending--------------------Nonsupport of domestic spending.
(How much you agree with business subsidies, welfare, domestic health spending, etc.)
Support of military spending-------------------Nonsupport of military spending
(Self-explanatory)
Federalism------------------------Localism
(Where you think the locus of power should reside, with the federal government or with the states)

Possibly a few more, but those are the ones that immediately come to mind.

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Except that, of course, those can be further broken down -- many people who endorse welfare object to business subsidies; some who believe in Social Collectivism argue about just what rules are to be applied (those who promote hate speech laws often are not the ones who support school prayer ordinances, for instance).

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This is true.

Sometimes I wonder if the /impulses/ behind the things are the same, even if the particular motivators are different, if that makes any sense. Idle speculation.

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That article Unni linked to about fear, that's a good one.

But, well, you know my opinion on fear and humanity.

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The article on fear is very good, I agree. I think it doesn't cover the whole picture (I think that sometimes people are angry because of reasons other than fear, and that there's more to drive people's political endeavors than either fear or anger), but for zooming in on that particular emotion and its effects...yes. Very worth thinking about!

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I think a lot of things can be traced back to fear, though. Fear of pain and desire for pleasure are the two most basic urges, and I think most everything else is a development of one of those...

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I think fear is a strong motivating factor, but I'm not sure that it's the primary, or even the primary shared with desire for pleasure.

...possibly number three, though. :D

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Optimism! :p

Or, rather, the belief that we can do something about the things that we don't like. (Whether we can do the /right/ thing is another matter entirely.)

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Isn't that just a function of the fear of the current situation and a desire for pleasure instead of the impending pain?

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I don't necessarily think so. Consider that people are motivated to do things that are actually harmful to them personally, in order to make something better, however they define 'better'.
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